Ordered these on sale, had been wanting to have a pair for awhile but wanted to get them on sale. I ordered the pink, they aren't as deep a hot pink as I hoped, but they are a nice bright pink. The fabric is pretty sturdy and feels thick but they are very breathable and very stretchy. I ordered 30 regulars, that is the size I wear in my tuffrider fullseats. These are a lower rise and while they fit my legs they are much larger in the waist and sag in the crotch. I fear if I went smaller they wouldn't fit my legs. The belt loops are very wide, like 3'" so wear with a wide belt. I worried I would slip slide around while riding as I have been wearing fullseats exclusively for the past few years but these were very nice. The silicone nubs on the knee grip part are grippy on leather and breathed well. I will probably order a second pair in another color.